A Storm of Hypocrisy is Falling on Mineola

After reading the past few editions of the Mineola Monitor, I feel compelled to get out my hypocrisy umbrella and put on my BS boots. The churches are out in full force and are trying to scare the people of Mineola to death. Some are comparing Saturday’s vote on Propositions 1 & 2 to Nazi Germany while others are warning us that our children and grandchildren will be consumed in a sea of alcohol and their blood will be spilled in the name of collecting tax dollars.

Vote YES for Propositions 1 & 2 on May 14th.

Vote YES for Propositions 1 & 2 on May 14th.

I guess the churches are really feeling like their grip on the city of Mineola is slipping. That is very apparent. The real irony of this situation is that many of these are the same people who said that the judge should show leniency on the teacher who had an inappropriate sexual relationship with a high school student. Are our priorities really that skewed? Are some people really looking the other direction while a teacher abuses our children but those same people think that stores selling beer and wine will lead to the destruction of our society? Really?

Are our Christian values directly tied to the fact that we force our citizens to drive 30 miles to buy a bottle of wine to have with their dinner? I know they are not. I know that we also don’t worry less about pedophiles teaching our school children than we worry about people being able to buy a legal product in the store of their choice.

This is obviously a very emotionally-charged issue and some people are willing to say whatever they feel is necessary to oppose it, even if the things they say are little more than a terrible embarrassment or a direct insult to our town and its citizens.

Most articles the churches have published have not been against drinking alcohol, but against buying it in Mineola. This clearly makes no moral or fiscal sense.

I hear that there are still communities in some states where the residents ride horse-drawn carriages and use oil lamps because they refuse to adopt modern culture. If these people believe that alcohol is the root of all evil and do not want it in their community, I urge them to bring forth legislation outlawing alcohol all together in Mineola.

I urge you to stand up to the hypocrisy of this faction of people in Mineola. Vote YES on Propositions 1 & 2 on Saturday, May 14th.

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83 comments for “A Storm of Hypocrisy is Falling on Mineola

  1. Lisa
    May 10, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    One word – Wow!

  2. Melissa
    May 10, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    You sir are SPOT ON! I too have been wondering about the female teacher and the sexual incident…and all the things people choose to stand against. Good job on your article and keep on writing.

  3. Madeline
    May 10, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    EXCELLENT points!!
    Sometimes this small town mentality is so incredibly hypocritical that is becomes funny.
    I am voting for Propositions 1 and 2 and I don't drink alcohol. I know of the benefits of the tax revenue and I also know that this will not lead to the end of our society.
    Great article. Thank you for writing it.
    Someone needed to say this!!!!!

  4. James
    May 10, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    My only issue is where are the examples of the town where alcohol sales have improved the towns. I would use Big Sandy, Winona, Kilgore, and Coffe City as prime examples of why you should vote no. If we drive through these cities they are not shiny example of what increased tax revenue can do for your city. They do appear to run down and dirty, is this what we want for Mineola.

  5. Mineola Resident
    May 10, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Part one

    I do not drink but I am in favor of allowing the sale of alcoholic beverages. With regards to the churches in the area who are stating publicly that they are against it, it should be noted that organizations which operate tax free are not permitted to push a political agenda. This is considered a seperation of church and State issue. Further, regarding the woman convicted of sexual misconduct with a minor, I acknowledge the law but it is also true that a woman cannot actually rape a male, so in this case I certainly see the bias towards leniency.

    What bothers me about the religious organizations in this area speaking out against the sale of alcohol is that they are attempting to keep us all in a childish state. In other words they are attempting to keep us all children. This is unacceptable. Adults should be treated with the respect and not treated like children. To try and prevent adults from exercising their freedoms and rights is unacceptable. Drinking liquor is the right of every adult in our country. We should not try to trample this right by placing undue burdens upon those who wish to purchase liquor.

    (end of part 1, continued in part two)

    • Wayne
      May 11, 2011 at 2:12 pm

      Your Comment — "I acknowledge the law but it is also true that a woman cannot actually rape a male, so in this case I certainly see the bias towards leniency. "

      reflects some of the problems of our towns facing today…bottom line it is against the law to be invloved with a minor, had the teacher acted as an adult she should have never allowed it to happen, i don't agree with the leniency… she took advanage of her position. As far as the churches and community goes, Jesus instructed us to Love one another and learn to forgive others, but if you break the law (Male or Female) then you need to learn that there is a result.

      • CatOnAHotTinRoof
        May 11, 2011 at 4:46 pm

        Can you imagine the town wailing if this had been a Male Teacher taking advantage of a 16 year old girl !!!??? He would have been hung out to dry …….and lost everything, especially his reputation……………what is amazing to me is the churches backing this woman………and sweeping it all under a rug. All in the name of what………may I ask ????!!!!

  6. Mineola Resident
    May 10, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Part 2

    Not permitting the sale of liquor to adults in this area is the crime. That needs to be eliminated. Churches should respect the laws and refrain from political activity. Churches should also respect the rights of adults in our country. Churches should also be admonished to remember that there is a time to put aside childish things and become and adult and act as such. To force your fellow citizens in this community to remain children is not only disrespectful, it against both the law of the land, and to most religions against their own rules.

  7. katherine
    May 10, 2011 at 10:01 pm

    What Mineola lacks in culture, is compensated by it’s over zealot religious population.. Religion is designed to control the followers and have everyone believing one way . Alcohol sales does not diminish a city. Backward thinking does. Besides everyone knows drive thru windows were installed at beer and wine stores so the Baptist could make a purchase with secrecy:…………..

  8. James
    May 10, 2011 at 10:05 pm

    Just because it is legal does not make it the right thing to do. We should be very careful what we wish for, I remember when they removed MTV from our cable line up. The outrage how many would like to see the same thing happen again as we watch another episode of 16 and preggers. The churches are attempting to provide a moral compass in a Godless society. We should applaud those who try to teach us right from wrong, clearly we have lost our way.

  9. Justice For All
    May 10, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    The churches have more political power in this town than the people do. It is time for that to change.
    I'll bet that if I put a sign in front of the First Baptist Church of Mineola encouraging its "flock" to give their contributions to the Baptist Church in Big Sandy, they would not like that. What's the difference??
    The churches and the religious nuts that run them must be put in their place. If these props pass that will only be the start.
    I agree that it is an insult to hard-working citizens of this area for a bunch of religious looneys to tell us what we can and cannot by in our own stores.

  10. Mikey
    May 10, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    Kudos to MineolaBuzz for this article and for the huge article in the Mineola Monitor. The people in this town who use fear to scare us into submission are the ones we should fear.

  11. Mark
    May 10, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    I have always wondered what the Church of America, and especially Mineola thought Jesus turned the water into as his first miracle, maybe grape juice. Most of the world has grown up on wine with meals, but for some reason we have turned a miracle into a sin. Save your gas money, and vote yes for 1&2.

  12. bob
    May 11, 2011 at 1:26 am

    HOW DARE THEY STAND UP FOR THEIR BELIEFS! AMERICA IS GOOD BECAUSE WE LET BOTH PHARISEES AND DRUNKS SPEAK FREELY. church employees pay taxes and have 1st amendment rights! 18yr old ADULT soldiers can die for us but not buy beer. last statistical “fact” i heard was alcohol sales increase crime; theft, dwi, etc. (npr) and if u didnt think about baggin a hs teacher at least once, youre not an american. u can have whatever you want if u can convince most people to agree with you… fair enough i guess

  13. bob
    May 11, 2011 at 1:49 am

    what about selling all of the needed components to manufacture meth in tidy bundle packs for savy shopper savings? or pipe bomb materials? church of satan? or a XXX drive in movie? head shop? wal-mart? fast food? KKK HQ? one man’s trash is another man’s treasure let the cause and effect arguments play out and stop the ad hominen attacks. everyone has different moral standars, let the community choose the position it feels best represents its interests for the present and future well being of the governed.

  14. Jeremy
    May 11, 2011 at 5:03 am

    The fact that people have to drive such a distance for something as simply as beer is ridiculous. People are looking at it all wrong, having the beer there will not cause more problems, if anything it will calm things down. No one wants to drive thirty plus minutes for a six pack or one bottle of wine. All that brings is people stocking up on alcohol and then binge drinking. Not to mention people drinking while driving on the way back. All the people voting against this are idiots. I struggled with binge drinking all through my teens, and I’ve got the scars to prove it. All we did was drive to big sandy. Vote for the acohol sales, is it so radical to think parents should teach their kids about tolerance and moderation? You teach them how to do everything else. If you make alcohol the devil they’re just going to want it that much more.

  15. Been here, done that
    May 11, 2011 at 6:43 am

    Many years ago a restaurant opened in Mineola and specialized in steak & seafood. They offered private memberships for those who would like to enjoy a glass of wine or drink with their quality meal. The man that owned this restaurant also owned the Dairy Queen at the time. A couple of the churches (two that have published anti-alcohol letters recently) wrote a letter to the gentleman and told him if he didn't shut down his restuarant, they would ask their members to ban the DQ. Now from all accounts I have heard, the steak place was his dream…the DQ was the bread and butter that he survived on and payed the bills with. And so it happened…they were able to strong arm their congrgations to no longer enjoy a huger buster or an ice cream cone just to make a point.

  16. Been here, done that
    May 11, 2011 at 6:43 am

    People are led blindly by elders who have no ability to let folks make their own "right choices". They are force fed the ideas that hell and damnation will follow you to the polls and look over you shoulder as you cast your vote.
    When the Propositions pass, be sure and check the card carrying church goers to see who owns the land and properties that you will be buying your beer & wine from…I feel sure they will be tithing that extra 10% back to their churches.

  17. Shirley J Bush
    May 11, 2011 at 8:11 am

    You cannot use bogus theories to "strong arm" me into voting yes. I am voting NO.

    • anonymous
      May 11, 2011 at 4:33 pm

      I don't see anyone using bogus theories to "strong arm" you. Except the people who are voting no. They are leading you like sheep to the slaughter.

  18. Concerned J. Parent
    May 11, 2011 at 8:25 am

    No one can be strong armed either way. As a resident who has seen first had the good that off-site sales can bring in, I am in full support. The "hipocrazy" is what gets to me. Hate the sin, not the sinner, right? The good book says nothing about not drinking and being a teetotaler, but only that one should be of sound mind and body. When it is your turn to vote for Prop 1 & 2, vote with your heart and conscience, but also educate yourself. Off-site sale legalization does not mean that all Mineola resident will become drunkards, nor does it mean that our precious little snowflakes will have their first drink as a result of the vote. Trust me, many have already had their first drink, and their one hundredth. As a parent of two children myself, I assure you that it is my responsibility to make sure that my kids are not on the backroads or vacant lots drinking. It is not the responsibility of the voters in my neighborhood to make sure that they have to drive 25 miles to get it. If you worry so much about underage drinking, be better parents. It is not our morals as a community that are lacking, as Mineola is a great little hamlet where families can be brought up safely and quietly. Off-site sales will not change the morality of a community, period. Just because sales are allowed, does not mean that you have to buy. Be happy that there is another form of revenue coming in, and that your school district will benefit as a result.

    • WillyTJohns
      May 11, 2011 at 6:27 pm

      What are "Off-site Sales"?

      • Concerned J. Parent
        May 11, 2011 at 8:31 pm

        Sales in convenience and grocery stores. Sales to consumers for consumption off-site. Local legislation will prevent the unsightly beer stores and visible outside advertising, e.g. neon signs in the windows.

  19. Pamela
    May 11, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Thank you! It's about time someone brought the facts to light! Keep up the good work.

  20. Pat Riesch
    May 11, 2011 at 9:28 am

    The vary ironic thing is I have heard people in this communtiy that have said, "I don't want the people that I go to church with see me buying alcohol, so I will be voting no." The same people that are resisting Prop 1&2 are the same people that don't recognize eachother when they both walk into Red's in Big Sandy together! God Bless the "man who owned DQ" we all miss you!!!!

    • frances
      May 11, 2011 at 2:22 pm

      What is up with this not recognizing someone? I go into local restaurants,schools,organized functions and the Church folks have ignored me for 20 years when they are with their peers, catch them on their own and suddenly they are my best friend.

  21. judy
    May 11, 2011 at 9:28 am

    I would be willing to bet that some or most of the church going "hypocrazies" who are so against prop 1 and 2, have a stash in a closet or stuck under a bed, for "special" occasions. I personally, feel this is a greater sin, than openly doing as one sees fit.

  22. James
    May 11, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Talk about hypocrisy, the Buzz deleted my post. I will vote no, I thought free speech was a good thing. Like most liberals free speech is only a good thing when it agrees with the liberal position, shades of Communist China.

  23. The Buzz
    May 11, 2011 at 9:42 am

    Nobody has deleted anything. If you are having problems using the web site, please take your time and fill in all the spaces.
    We don't delete comments or posts unless they activate the SPAM filter or the obscene language filter.
    You vote however you like. Fortunately you are able to in this country.

    • James
      May 11, 2011 at 9:49 am

      Be that as it may I am sure I had two post yesterday on the subject and now they are no longer on the board. Deleted, filtered, whatever they no longer appear on this site. Since I am not a spammer nor did I use foul language, the natural assumption is the moderator removed the post(s).

  24. jeffdhurley
    May 11, 2011 at 9:49 am

    interesting concepts here .A right to drink/buy alcohol…I guess that comes under "pursuit of happiness" and relations between two people of consent able age does not a pedophile make . Hence the charge of improper conduct with a student so if names are to be called make sure they are accurate

    • Randy
      May 11, 2011 at 10:00 am

      So you are OK with a high school age girl having an affair with a 50 year old teacher

      • jeffdhurley
        May 11, 2011 at 10:46 am

        please see additional post as this posted without the rest of my comment
        In a court you can be convicted only on what can be proven . There was proof of sexual contact but not proof of when I am NOT in favor of any affair between students and teachers in any shape form or fashion and she was rightfully convicted of that crime But that conviction does not constitute pedophilia hence the lack of needing to register as an offender I may not approve but those are the facts of the case

    • frances
      May 11, 2011 at 10:39 am

      Did not realize 15 year old was an adult.

      • jeffdhurley
        May 11, 2011 at 10:53 am

        see above
        to my knowledge and from court transcripts published i see no proof of when the actual contact took place hence my statement in reference to age of consent
        I am unquestionably against any affair between student and faculty It is a crime and a conviction was made for the proven crime . Knowledge of what was going on in the community would be here-say at best although I may not approve with the verdict provable in court facts were what they had to go on .Right or wrong the conviction was not as a pedophile nor was the letter to the editor calling the folks for this prop 1 and 2 Nazi's

  25. James
    May 11, 2011 at 9:55 am

    A person need only ride through Big Sandy to see how alcohol sells have improve the quality of life for the residents. I don't see a large exodus of people headed to this lovely town to make a home. I need an example of where alcohol sells improved the local economy and improved the tax base. The towns closest who sell alcohol Big Sandy, Winona, Coffee City, etc… seem to be not a nice place to live. What are the expected revenue gains and how would they be used are fair questions that should be answered prior to voting yes.

  26. Concerned J. Parent
    May 11, 2011 at 10:09 am

    James, they are also communities that were developed and incorporated as cash communities on the county lines of counties that were ok with giving up their revenue to the neighboring counties. Most wet counties have cash communities that were setup for the same reason. Winona was not set up with that thought in mind, but the "wet" status it now has is keeping it alive. No one ever said that you have to purchase alcohol, just be open minded enough to accept the fact that your neighbors enjoy a beer when they are grilling outside. Be mature enough to accept that your child's/grandchild's kindergarten teacher had a glass of wine last night with dinner. Does enjoying a drink with friends make us bad people? No! If you think it does, your are a hypocritical judge and need to spend a little more time in the pew on Sunday. We do not judge you for being a non-drinker, but we do think of you who say you do not drink, and lie when you say it, as judgmental and arrogant.

    • James
      May 11, 2011 at 10:16 am

      I never thought the question was about whether drinking alcohol is sin or even wrong. I thought the question was about where you can buy said drink. No one is being prevented from drinking alcohol in their homes or at dinner. The question is the impact of the sells on the community. The vote is a great thing and the church or the unions or whoever uses their power to help shape policy is not wrong. This shaping of opinion is what politics is all about. If you want a good example of how special interests shape American politics, join the NRA. Everyone protects what they think is right, the church, the state and the individual. It may not be a perfect system but it is the one we have to work with.

      • Concerned J. Parent
        May 11, 2011 at 10:27 am

        I agree, it is not who can and cannot. It is just as Draconian, however, to say where it can be bought, and use the defense of "ruining our town". I am not saying that you are suing that reasoning, just in general. I do find it amusing, however, that we give so much attention to alcohol but ignore the illegals that local homeowners lease their properties to and that take portions of our checks to pay for their living. That is worse than a cold one on a Sunday. Priorities vary from person to person and we are all entitled to think what we want, but let us not be stupid and pass up 6 figures a year in added revenue. You may say you would rather see property taxes raised instead of alcohol sales, but many in this community are locked in on their taxes, and will see no change. It is us that are younger that get that big hit on our taxes. Agree to coexist with the heathens that are the beer and wine drinkers, and we will agree to exist with your way of thinking.

        • Rocky
          May 11, 2011 at 5:03 pm

          Your entire argument is so flawed it doesnt deserve a response. You scream and whine about your "right" to buy beer but dont think someone has the right to lease their property to whomever they choose? Talk about hypocrisy. And exactly how does a "portion of our checks" "pay for their living" ?!? Boy you must be proud of yourself. A racist and a drunk.

          • Concerned J. Parent
            May 11, 2011 at 8:37 pm

            Rocky, in case you were unaware, this is a forum for intelligent conversation. Apparently you missed that memo. I do have a right to do what I choose, because I am a citizen of the United States of America. My birthright as a citizen of this country is to do as I choose with my property, my money and my body as I choose. It is also my right as a landowner to lease or sell my property to whomever I choose. The kicker is that I follow the law and do not rent, lease or sell to someone who does not legally pay taxes in my city, county or country. A portion of our checks is taken out and goes toward federal funding for their, and every other deadbeat's, children. Because their children are born in the US, they are citizens. Does this all make sense to you? If not, I can use more layman's language for you. The fact that you throw around the word racist and drunk is pretty bold. You have no idea who I am, what I am, nor what I do. Maybe next time, show some decorum and respond in a nicer way, and watch how you speak to another man.

      • Concerned J. Parent
        May 11, 2011 at 10:28 am

        …and, by the way, I am a member of the NRA.

  27. Raised in Mineola
    May 11, 2011 at 10:11 am

    I lived in Mineola for 50 years.I saw and knew who was drinking because my Dad sold it to them and at times delivered it to their homes.They were the pious,upright citizens that screamed the loudest when a wet/dry election came up….and voted the town dry……But as my dad always said " They will vote this town dry,then go to the country club that night and celebrate their victory,go home drunk,get up on Sunday morning red-eyed and hung over,go to church and tell everyone what a great thing it was not to have liquor in our fair city !!!!……Then he ended with "Well I guess thats more business for me."This is the hypocritical,old mentality that this town has endured for way too long long and it is time for a change !!!!!

  28. Frances
    May 11, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Mineola is like Mayberry on crack, some of us would just like a glass of wine with their meal or have a few beers during a football game but somehow this is going to bring the town down..****edited – irrelevant comment****, JoAnn Stephens maintained her job even though she is a sex offender,the public school system here does not know the meaning of seperation of church and state, the graduating class of 2011 has a 15% pregnancy rate and other educators are touching female students and nothing is done about it—-but the underlying link is FBC. After raising 2 children in this city and school I can’t have a glass of wine in the evening!!!!!

    • LIPSY
      May 11, 2011 at 2:00 pm

      whoever you are Frances I LOVE YOU you go get em…this town is so backwards….FBC is controlling this community and the decisions that are bad within it as far as the little teacher playing around with a student and getting to keep her JOB …REALLY she should have been thrown UNDER the SCHOOL i have a small child in this district and I am currently looking into PRIVATE school that might i add I cant AFFORD just to keep my child away from a school district that seems to not have the childrens safety 1st

      • frances
        May 11, 2011 at 2:17 pm

        I have school district issues form kindergarten on-if I had it to do all over again I would NEVER have left my kids in this school. You really need to watch the Documentry Waiting for Superman that movie is spot on with MISD.
        The MISD has so much nepotism going on between teachers,coaches and the school board its criminal. There is no objectivity.

  29. jeffdhurley
    May 11, 2011 at 10:37 am

    sorry all of my post did not carry over . the gist of which was . Vote your conscience and use the facts . . The letter to the editor did not compare the "pro vote" to Nazi Germany . It quoted a pastor who was persecuted during WW2 on when should he stand against something he felt was wrong .. before it happens or after the fact when the damage is done . No where in the letter does it state that if you are for sales you are a Nazi… the teacher was not a pedophile as relations were between two people within the age of consent as a teacher it was wrong not absolving but does not fit the definition of pedophile .The aggravation here is the profiling of anyone against this as a hypocrite as well as the profiling of anyone for it as evil and wishing the blood of our children to "flow in the streets" . A church leader or any other citizen has the right to be against this on moral grounds as does any other person have the right to support it but please argue your case on its moral grounds or its fiscal grounds or whatever grounds you chose. I for one do not think it is Evil .I think that the City council has wisely put ordinances in place that will help keep us from becoming a "west tawakoni" ish area . I also do not see the cities around us experiencing huge or any real growth due to allowing alcohol sales . BIg Sandy has not grown any in years that i can see . Emory has not had a surge of investment that I can see due to its change . But Mineola has grown and is flourishing perhaps increased tax revenue will make it better as we have a much better base to work from . perhaps not .
    in closing we all have the right to live in a community of our choosing , we have the right to try and change it AND we have the right to leave it if it is not what we like . So vote make your choice based on your own values and the facts and let the process do its job If we go wet ..I am happy if we stay dry ..I am still happy . But please the name calling the misrepresentations of character ..the denigration of ANYONE with an opinion different from you is not productive in a civilized society

    • Scott Hazard
      May 11, 2011 at 10:49 am

      You might want to re-read the article, Jeff. I did not use the word "anyone", nor did I make the assertion that those against prop 1 & 2 are evil. I said this on our Facebook page and I will say it again here, "This is all public information. The conclusions we draw from it are completely within ourselves."
      I did not make any assertion that anybody is a Nazi. I simply pointed out what I see as the ridiculous nature of the Nazi comment and the "blood of our children" comment.
      I'm sorry you see this as me denigrating anyone with a differing opinion, but that is truly your interpretation of it.
      And, just so we are clear, are you really OK with a teacher having an affair with a student?

      • jeffdhurley
        May 11, 2011 at 11:30 am

        we are in agreement here .the painting of the for's as being evil and the against's as hypocrites. was ,and i should have clarified , i reference to both the letters to the editors that i have read and the posts here. Not every churchgoer is a religious nut or a Hypocrazy. not every proponent for alcohol sales is selling our safety / future/quality of life for a few quick bucks. Your articles have been quite fact filled the denigration comment was was general and applying to both sides of this argument when the statement becomes less about the election and more about how bad the other side is

        and no for the record I am NOT OK with a teacher having an affair with a student in any form or fashion it is wrong and a conviction for that crime happened as it should . My statement was directed that in my understanding the facts of the case as presented in court did not per the prosecution statements prove that the contact took place outside the age of consent thus the judges statement that if she was not a teacher a crime would not have been committed. Right or wrong that was the verdict . also why no registration as an offender .once again whether I agree or not that was the fact of the trial ( I also think O.J.was guilty ) so my issue was with a inflammatory term that did not match the conviction nothing more

        so in the end we agree get past all of the rhetoric and vote

    • rick
      May 11, 2011 at 9:49 pm

      i concur, jeff

    • rick
      May 11, 2011 at 9:56 pm

      i concur, jeff

  30. Linsey
    May 11, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Yes there are so many people in this town who are hypocrites and there are so many people in these 11+ churches that drink!! Someone said well it’s not the church that does well by god it’s the people that make the church there for yea it’s the church too!!! If all the people in a church stoped going to that church there would no longer be one!! I think it’s bs that this little town has fought this so many times and it failed!! It’s not the churches decision on fellow citizens do in there own home and should not be judged for it but they do!!!

  31. bluebonnet52
    May 11, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    As far as I know, it wasn't Welch's grape juice served at the Last Supper. With that said, let me say that I don't think any of us want a "trashy area" in which to live. The smaller towns have not reported increases in DWI's or other crimes, nor do they have drunks with paper bags hanging around on their corners. Other states who do not have "dry areas" prosper and do not see whatever apocalyse the churches seem to think is gong to happen. I agree with the man who said it seems as though churches want to keep people in a state of fear and childlike mentality. What ever happened to Texas anyway ? We are suppose to be pioneers, earthy, direct, strong and independent. What do people think ? OMG..if we are allowed to buy a bottle of wine at Brookshire's..what's next..strip joints lining Hwy 69 and prostitutes hanging out in the Walmart parking lot ? Get real. If you don't drink, don't buy it, if you do, vote for it, if you drink and lie about it..shut up!

  32. James
    May 11, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    Food for Thought

    Alcohol outlet density has been shown to be the single most important environmental factor explaining why violent crime rates are higher in certain areas of the city than in others. LaBouvie, E. & Ontkush, M.:”Violent crime and alcohol availability: relationships in an urban community.” Journal of Public Health Policy 19(3):303-318. 1998.

    Blocks that have more bars have higher crime rates for murder, rape, assault, robbery, burglary, grand theft and auto theft. Adding one bar to a block would result in 3.38 crimes committed on that block in a year. It would increase the risk of murder taking place on that block by 5%, and increase the risk of having a violent crime of any type by 17.6%. Runcek, D. & Maier, P. “Bars, blocks and crimes revisited: linking the theory of routine activities to the empiricism of ‘hot spots.’ “ Criminology (29) 4: 725-753. 1991.

    • The Truth
      May 11, 2011 at 12:42 pm

      Well it's a good thing this isn't about opening bars, rather than package sales. We already have the ability to open bars in Mineola by calling them private clubs.
      How many murders and rapes have happened in the vicinity of the Mineola Country Club in the past 10 years? People can go in there off the street, get a temporary membership and drink. So this blows your fear-mongering "facts" all to hell doesn't it?
      You should call the police chief of Emory, Big Sandy, Winona or other comparable towns and run your scenario by them. Each one of them will tell you that you are wrong.

      • James
        May 11, 2011 at 12:49 pm

        There is a relationship between alcohol and crime and whether it is served in a bar or sold as a package. At least there some facts and numbers in the link provided. If you would like to supply your own facts feel free, the web is full of useful information.

        • Mineola Son
          May 11, 2011 at 1:17 pm

          Check the statistics for Weatherford Texas here: http://www.city-data.com/city/Weatherford-Texas.h… they passed off premise sales in 2008 and they also have restaurants with bars located inside. The only open bar is the VFW as you can see the the crime index is lower than it has been since 1999. So like I said in an earlier post. Do your homework and be open minded. Its that simple.

        • bluebonnet52
          May 11, 2011 at 2:41 pm

          I'm sorry, but you can make a relationship between anything. Nobody is talking about NOT drinking. Please get that point straight. A huge number of people all ready drink in Mineola! Make no mistake. If someone decides to rob a store, does it make a difference where he got the booze ? Does it really ? People like you, sir, with due respect, have been making that same argument for hundreds of years. Men thought the world was going to hell when women got the vote, when we freed the slaves, when the NAACP began, and the list goes on. Give people a little credit.

          • James
            May 11, 2011 at 3:14 pm

            You would have us believe there is a wealth of tax dollars being spent in other counties, prove it. I have already shown a statistical link between the rise of crime and an increase in the number of locations selling alcohol. What I would like to see is community where alcohol sells were passed and an improved quality of life for residents. If the tax dollars are going to be spent on more police officers great, or high teacher salaries, great, but I would assume just like our lottery funds going to education, ha. We will not reap the benefits. I am not sure how the NAACP figures into the equation but I bet if you ask the people who live in the lower socio-economic neighborhoods if they would like alcohol sells removed from their area. The answer would be yes. Why don’t you go travel to south Oak Cliff and take a poll? They have quite the utopia there, alcohol sells and the NAACP.

          • CatOnAHotTinRoof
            May 11, 2011 at 4:36 pm

            Travel to Emory, Texas …Sir….right up Hwy 69 less than 25 miles, and see what these propositions have done to improve their town………..evidently, you don't venture too far from your computer & the web. Their tax revenue in ONE year was raised by $85,000………………and there are small business people there who have reaped the benefits.

  33. bob
    May 11, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    It seems reasonable to believe that people who are already drinking might be more willing to risk a 5 min drive vs. a 30 min drive for more beer. wont be the end of the world, and will probably increase church revenue cause nothing makes a better giver than the shame of a bad hangover on a sunday morning in church. i think its worth a try, if everything goes to hell, they can re-ban it…

  34. bluebonnet52
    May 11, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    By the way, a teacher who has sexual contact with a student makes ALL teachers look bad. What exactly determines if a child is "old enough" is irrelevant. Age ? Physical attriributes ? Street knowledge ? Independence ?
    There is something really sick about a person in authority taking advantage of any subordinate, regardless of age. The fact that it is an underaged person is even sicker. And by the way..if the sexes had been reversed, the male teacher would have had the whole book thrown at him! So we can add "sexist" to our Wood County court system. Maybe we should rename Mineola to Peyton Place. In addition..the comment made about "love it or leave it" is out of place in a debate. If nobody had complained, dear, we'd all have English accents!

    • CatOnAHotTinRoof
      May 11, 2011 at 1:48 pm

      very well stated, Bluebonnet…my sentiments exactly !

  35. Mr B
    May 11, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    **** edited – unnecessary name calling ****

  36. Linsey
    May 11, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    ****edited – unnecessary name calling****

  37. Big Eddie
    May 11, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Legalization of alcohol sells in Mineola would hurt the small business man. The self-starters who run the gauntlet of East Texas Law Enforcement to bring booze back to our humble town. If we de-criminalize alcohol what would be next marijuana and cocaine. I say leave the booze exactly where it belongs in hands of criminals and underage drinkers.

    • The Truth
      May 11, 2011 at 4:18 pm

      Pardon me, but alcohol is LEGAL. You should consider crawling back under whatever rock it is you came out from under.

      • CatOnAHotTinRoof
        May 11, 2011 at 4:30 pm

        oh my dear………..This is the Epitomy of ignorance. I am simply speechless !! If the ignorance that is perpetuated by these types of remarks doesn't make the common sense folk RUN, not walk , to the ballot boxes to vote YES……I'll be the most surprised person in town.

      • Big Eddie
        May 11, 2011 at 5:06 pm

        Alcohol is legal and so is tobacco but not for minors. The bootleggers are tapping into a sellers market, where underage drinkers pay higher prices. These higher prices result in increased profits for the business which results in increased spending in the local economy. Bootlegges have families right here in Mineola. If you vote yes it is vote against a free market and The United States was created by the drive for free markets, see the Boston Tea Party.

  38. Rocky
    May 11, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    I agree with James and Big Eddie. Alcohol=BAD STUFF. I frequently drive down hwy 31 between Tyler and Kilgore. Liquor stores, strip clubs, all-nude joints, prostitution, dope dealing. It all sickens me. Sometimes at club paradise or baby dolls, while Im getting a lap dance, Ill think to myself…This beautiful young women is someone's daughter! Now she is prostituting herself. And I would bet this road to Hell that she is on started with a beer. It is a slippery slope. One day a few drinks- before you know it you are turning tricks for crack. If we allow this to happen to our fine community, we wil be the ones to blame when our children end up in prison…or worse! Big Eddie also has a point. Think of the hard working entrepeneurs who have spent many, many years building a client base. That will all be wiped out with this vote. Not only are the entrepeneurs affected but the people that rely on them–(some people prefer to stay anonymous and its thir right to do so). Also many law-enforcement officers get bonus pay in the form of tribute from these entrepeneurs. A vote for this bill is also a vote to take money out of the hand of our policemen and their families. Vote NO and save our community!

    • Don't Tread on Me
      May 11, 2011 at 4:53 pm

      I once had a bootlegger, serve me beer and cook me breakfast at 3 in the morning. Do you think Brookshires or Walmart is going to cook me breakfast. I admit I was only 16 years old, but look at the custome service. This is where the small business person will always win, give the customer what they want, and I want tall boy buds(16oz) and scramble eggs at 3 am.

    • Concerned J. Parent
      May 11, 2011 at 8:42 pm

      Really, a mockery? The east Texas education you received has obviously shortened some of the connections in your brain. Or are you one of the locals that prefers to "not see your neighbor" in Big Sandy.

  39. Big Eddie
    May 11, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    If you think this will lower your taxes, then you have been drinking.

    • Concerned J. Parent
      May 11, 2011 at 8:40 pm

      It may not lower anything, but it will definitely ease the strain when taxes go back up, as they have been frozen since the Legislative session of 2005.

  40. salty dog
    May 11, 2011 at 9:48 pm

    Voting yes is not going to hurt our town. The reason Big Sandy and Winona are drive thru beer barns is because the people of those towns chose to make them that way. I’m sure they were not under the influence when they made those decisions. Making your vote, whether you’re for or against it, is your choice. If you’re worried about someone seeing you purchase alcohol that you go to church with…..don’t be. Last time I checked the big man upstairs wasn’t giving one way tickets to hell for enjoying a beer or a glass of wine. Also, if those people are so judgemental about you and your choice to purchase alcohol you live in the USA…home of the FREE.

  41. rick
    May 11, 2011 at 9:51 pm

    vote no, or the bootleggers will not be able to pay their bills !!!

  42. MrsPdr
    May 11, 2011 at 10:06 pm

    I'm a former Mineola resident. I now live in a city near Tulsa, which is known as the buckle on the Bible belt. We have liquor stores in our city, and our moral compass has not slipped in the least. If people don't want it, they don't buy it. But those who do buy it contribute to our local tax base instead of enriching the city of Tulsa. In fact, it is my opinion that easy access tends to lessen the attraction. I say vote FOR the right to sell liquor in Mineola. Only problem is, if it passes, some people will be afraid to walk into the liquor stores for fear of being recognized!

  43. bluebonnet52
    May 12, 2011 at 8:22 am

    People don't leave their names for a good reason – employers, neighbors, patrons, etc. who would ostracize or fire them if they said what they really wanted. I don't think it's a shame issue or anything, or an unwillingness to attach your identity to your beliefs. It is small town politics. Unfortunately, ignorance and fear need a buffer and anonymity seems to provide it. I would rather read someone's unabashed and honest response to a debate than for them to hold back in any way for fear of reprisal. The names aren't important anyway in this format.

  44. Susie Hazard
    May 12, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Prohibition was repealed December 5, 1933 — thank you again, FDR!!

    And, it’s SEPARATION, not seperation. Just remember “a rat” the next time you try to spell sepARate. 🙂

  45. Orange Julius
    May 12, 2011 at 11:15 am

    Wow Scott. You really know how to get the people ’buzzing’ around here. I love it. You’ve combined two passionate local topics into one write-up. Glad this site is getting some action. Reading through the posts here has been very entertaining. I want in on the fun. Sorry if I’m wordy (and sober actually).

    People…please don’t compare Big Sandy to Mineola in terms of “city quality” in this debate. That’s really an apples-to-oranges comparison. Different time, different place, different circumstances. If you really think that the alcohol factor is what makes Big Sandy a crap town…go drive through there IF/when Mineola ever starts selling beer/wine. Poor Big Sandy…RIP.

    A drive through Big Sandy at that point would prove that there IS a substantial economic gain to be had for Mineola. Go ask ANY business owner (beer store or other) in Big Sandy whether or not they want Mineola to pass this prop. Losing that revenue will hit EVERYONE in that little town…hard. I’m surprised they haven’t already sent over their militia to kill any “yes” voters in Mineola. They MUST have confidence in the Mineola churches still having enough ‘pull’ to where it’s not going to pass (and they’re probably right). Therefore, in a way, they too have put their hope in Jesus 😉

    Speaking of Jesus. What are these churches talking about in this debate? How do they think Jesus would vote in this election? I personally don’t think that He would even show up at the polls…OR be trying to persuade people which way they should vote. Rather, He would probably come up with a parable in an attempt to teach us that it’s not the alcohol to blame for our sin…but ourselves. Then, He might just turn some water into wine, and serve us communion (Last Supper style) to help emphasize the point. He might also remind us that OUR attempts to ‘save’ OURSELVES by not allowing the sale of alcohol is a waste of time. Silly humans.

    What will the selling of beer/wine in Mineola change? Either way, drinking will remain LEGAL…and people who drink will continue to purchase/drink alcohol. Drunk driving will stay ILLEGAL…and offenders will continue to be put in jail for breaking the law. Destroying one’s own life by losing self control to alcohol will remain sinful…and people will continue to blame the “alcohol” rather than take personal responsibility.

    As for the student/teacher issue in relation to the Prop 1 & 2 debate. I understand the point, but it’s a bit of a stretch. I don’t think that the church’s passion against Prop 1 & 2 is anywhere on the level of their leniency toward the teacher. Although there is plenty of hypocrisy to be pointed out in the churches…I feel this is a weak example. I’m pretty sure they strongly condemn her actions, but support her in repenting and working to better herself.

    The hypocrisy from the church would more than likely be presented if this was a male teacher having sexual relations with a MALE student. The ‘gay factor’ would surely get someone crucified. Not to mention the local gossip (which is rampant) would be a lot juicer. I don’t think that this woman by any stretch “raped” this boy. Sure, there is a double standard IF the teacher was male and the student was a female. However, I feel the sentencing is in line here…and would still be in line if the teacher was a male (where the details of the case were the same). But we all know he’d go down hard [no pun intended].

    I say vote “yes” for Prop 1 & 2. Stupid people do stupid things with many legal substances we have at our disposal. No matter if they have to drive 30 miles or 3,000 miles to get it. Yes, alcohol can easily make people’s actions even stupider with the more they intake. Not allowing beer/wine to be sold in Mineola will not help with mankind’s stupidity, will not cut back on sin, and will not change Mineola for the worse. Unless, of course, the additional funds are stupidly put to use by the city government…but that’s another topic.

    We’ll see. Whatever the result of the election…it sure is nice to live in a place where it can be put up to a vote. Other religiously run countries that have strict laws against things like alcohol and women’s rights…now that’s a shame.

  46. MyNameisLauri
    May 12, 2011 at 1:41 pm

    This whole conversation has made me want to
    1) move back to Mineola,
    2) know who “been there, done that” is, and more importantly,
    3) run out and rent “Footloose” as fast as I possibly can.

    Way to go “Mineola Buzz” — this is great, (at some times) fruitful conversation. The ability to have it is what makes this country so great.

    I hope that the website gains traction and that all points of view come to the table for future topics! As a non-citizen my thoughts and opinions aren’t relevant, but I am loving reading the banter!

  47. MyNameisHerSis
    May 12, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    To MyNameisLauri:

    1) Come on…move back!
    2) More importantly, don’t you wonder who OJ is?3) I have been singing Footloose all day!

    Don’t you think that DQ guy would have loved the controversy and (for the most part) this light hearted banter?
    Vote yes on Saturday – our economy needs a good shot in the arm!

  48. DaMama
    May 14, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    This will be a good thing for Mineola! Thanks Scott! Bring that shot in the arm right on!

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